OT – Achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war"
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Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977: "President Jimmy Carter made energy policy the centerpiece of his administration. He notoriously declared on April 18, 1977, that achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war." In August of that year, Carter signed the law creating the United States Department of Energy, intended to manage America’s energy crisis. In late 1978, the beginning of the Iranian revolution caused a shortfall in oil exports, and prices doubled over the next couple of years. Carter, wearing a sweater on national television, urged Americans to turn down their thermostats. "Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977-never," Carter declared in his nationally televised speech on July 15, 1979. He proposed a sweeping $142 billion energy plan which would achieve energy independence by 1990. Part of his plan included the "creation of this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000." Carter imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels of oil per day and created the $20 billion Synfuels program, which was supposed to produce 2.5 million barrels of synthetic fuels per day by 1990. To his credit, Carter did begin to dismantle Nixon’s crude oil price controls. (Auto aside: In his 1979 speech Carter warned: Citizens who insist on driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for that luxury.)" G.W. Bush in 2006: "America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world," Bush said as he sought to drive the election-year agenda in his annual State of the Union address. Carter & Ford (1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act) were right back then. But the American people elected a cowboy in 1980 and all was undone. I used to buy Ethanol gas in the late 70’s but it soon became unavailable after Reagan took over. I believe Reagan also wanted to dismantle the DOE. Carter was right back then but Americans were too young & immature to listen. We still are that way today IMO & we’ll pay the price for it very soon. We would have been free of Mideast Oil Carter’s plan was implemented. Think about it. Mr Soul Proud Democrat
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Once again you prove you are an IGNORANT FUCK! We were burning off gas during that so called energy crisis. Jimmy Carter promised us $1.00 a gal gas & delivered it. There never was a shortfall. The oil companies <<< all of them, made their 1st move. You need to learn to read.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977: > "President Jimmy Carter made energy policy the centerpiece of his > administration. He notoriously declared on April 18, 1977, that > achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war." In > August of that year, Carter signed the law creating the United States > Department of Energy, intended to manage America’s energy crisis. > In late 1978, the beginning of the Iranian revolution caused a > shortfall in oil exports, and prices doubled over the next couple of > years. Carter, wearing a sweater on national television, urged > Americans to turn down their thermostats. "Beginning this moment, this > nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977-never," > Carter declared in his nationally televised speech on July 15, 1979. > He proposed a sweeping $142 billion energy plan which would achieve > energy independence by 1990. Part of his plan included the "creation of > this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial > goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year > 2000." Carter imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels of oil per > day and created the $20 billion Synfuels program, which was supposed to > produce 2.5 million barrels of synthetic fuels per day by 1990. To his > credit, Carter did begin to dismantle Nixon’s crude oil price controls. > (Auto aside: In his 1979 speech Carter warned: Citizens who insist on > driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for > that luxury.)" > G.W. Bush in 2006: > "America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable > parts of the world," Bush said as he sought to drive the election-year > agenda in his annual State of the Union address. > Carter & Ford (1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act) were right back > then. But the American people elected a cowboy in 1980 and all was > undone. I used to buy Ethanol gas in the late 70’s but it soon became > unavailable after Reagan took over. I believe Reagan also wanted to > dismantle the DOE. > Carter was right back then but Americans were too young & immature to > listen. We still are that way today IMO & we’ll pay the price for it > very soon. We would have been free of Mideast Oil Carter’s plan was > implemented. Think about it. > Mr Soul > Proud Democrat
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977: > "President Jimmy Carter made energy policy the centerpiece of his > administration. He notoriously declared on April 18, 1977, that > achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war." In > August of that year, Carter signed the law creating the United States > Department of Energy, intended to manage America’s energy crisis. > In late 1978, the beginning of the Iranian revolution caused a > shortfall in oil exports, and prices doubled over the next couple of > years. Carter, wearing a sweater on national television, urged > Americans to turn down their thermostats. "Beginning this moment, this > nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977-never," > Carter declared in his nationally televised speech on July 15, 1979. > He proposed a sweeping $142 billion energy plan which would achieve > energy independence by 1990. Part of his plan included the "creation of > this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial > goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year
hydrogen is the answer to oil… NOT solar energy. solar should not be discarded, but it is clearly just a blip on the screen unless you live here in Arizona, and even then the base investment would be huge with miniscule results. hydrogen is an unlimited energy source. hydrogen is the answer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2000." Carter imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels of oil per > day and created the $20 billion Synfuels program, which was supposed to > produce 2.5 million barrels of synthetic fuels per day by 1990. To his > credit, Carter did begin to dismantle Nixon’s crude oil price controls. > (Auto aside: In his 1979 speech Carter warned: Citizens who insist on > driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for > that luxury.)" > G.W. Bush in 2006: > "America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable > parts of the world," Bush said as he sought to drive the election-year > agenda in his annual State of the Union address. > Carter & Ford (1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act) were right back > then. But the American people elected a cowboy in 1980 and all was > undone. I used to buy Ethanol gas in the late 70’s but it soon became > unavailable after Reagan took over. I believe Reagan also wanted to > dismantle the DOE. > Carter was right back then but Americans were too young & immature to > listen. We still are that way today IMO & we’ll pay the price for it > very soon. We would have been free of Mideast Oil Carter’s plan was > implemented. Think about it.
you failed to mention that Bush is the first leader to propose hydrogen as an alternative to oil. paul proud american – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mr Soul > Proud Democrat
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Isn’t hydrogen a little dangerous to use in cars? By you’re missing the point – if we’d followed Carter 30 years ago we would be there now. And we’d probably being using hydrogen, assuming that it will work. So yes – I’ll acknowledge Bush for saving he wants to develop hydrogen energy. But saying & doing are 2 different things. Make no mistake – Bush’s main policy is to find more oil. Mr Soul
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Hey Green Peace – I hope you have Exxon stock. Mr Soul
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977: > "President Jimmy Carter made energy policy the centerpiece of his > administration. He notoriously declared on April 18, 1977, that > achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war." In > August of that year, Carter signed the law creating the United States > Department of Energy, intended to manage America’s energy crisis. > In late 1978, the beginning of the Iranian revolution caused a > shortfall in oil exports, and prices doubled over the next couple of > years. Carter, wearing a sweater on national television, urged > Americans to turn down their thermostats. "Beginning this moment, this > nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977-never," > Carter declared in his nationally televised speech on July 15, 1979. > He proposed a sweeping $142 billion energy plan which would achieve > energy independence by 1990. Part of his plan included the "creation of > this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial > goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year >hydrogen is the answer to oil… NOT solar energy. solar should not be >discarded, but it is clearly just a blip on the screen unless you live here >in Arizona, and even then the base investment would be huge with miniscule >results. >hydrogen is an unlimited energy source. hydrogen is the answer. > 2000." Carter imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels of oil per > day and created the $20 billion Synfuels program, which was supposed to > produce 2.5 million barrels of synthetic fuels per day by 1990. To his > credit, Carter did begin to dismantle Nixon’s crude oil price controls. > (Auto aside: In his 1979 speech Carter warned: Citizens who insist on > driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for > that luxury.)" > G.W. Bush in 2006: > "America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable > parts of the world," Bush said as he sought to drive the election-year > agenda in his annual State of the Union address. > Carter & Ford (1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act) were right back > then. But the American people elected a cowboy in 1980 and all was > undone. I used to buy Ethanol gas in the late 70’s but it soon became > unavailable after Reagan took over. I believe Reagan also wanted to > dismantle the DOE. > Carter was right back then but Americans were too young & immature to > listen. We still are that way today IMO & we’ll pay the price for it > very soon. We would have been free of Mideast Oil Carter’s plan was > implemented. Think about it. >you failed to mention that Bush is the first leader to propose hydrogen as >an alternative to oil.
…after five years of living in the pants of the energy industry and doing everything imaginable to facilitate record profits for them at the expense of the American people and the national economy. He has all the credibility of Gene Simmons giving a lecture on musical integrity or Esteban touting the importance of choosing only top-quality music gear. Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
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Why don’t they just pass a law, saying, I dunno — we havta find more oil in Texas or something like that? Or maybe a law that solar has to
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977: >> "President Jimmy Carter made energy policy the centerpiece of his >> administration. He notoriously declared on April 18, 1977, that >> achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war." In >> August of that year, Carter signed the law creating the United States >> Department of Energy, intended to manage America’s energy crisis. >> In late 1978, the beginning of the Iranian revolution caused a >> shortfall in oil exports, and prices doubled over the next couple of >> years. Carter, wearing a sweater on national television, urged >> Americans to turn down their thermostats. "Beginning this moment, this >> nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977-never," >> Carter declared in his nationally televised speech on July 15, 1979. >> He proposed a sweeping $142 billion energy plan which would achieve >> energy independence by 1990. Part of his plan included the "creation of >> this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial >> goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year >hydrogen is the answer to oil… NOT solar energy. solar should not be >discarded, but it is clearly just a blip on the screen unless you live >here >in Arizona, and even then the base investment would be huge with miniscule >results. >hydrogen is an unlimited energy source. hydrogen is the answer. >> 2000." Carter imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels of oil per >> day and created the $20 billion Synfuels program, which was supposed to >> produce 2.5 million barrels of synthetic fuels per day by 1990. To his >> credit, Carter did begin to dismantle Nixon’s crude oil price controls. >> (Auto aside: In his 1979 speech Carter warned: Citizens who insist on >> driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for >> that luxury.)" >> G.W. Bush in 2006: >> "America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable >> parts of the world," Bush said as he sought to drive the election-year >> agenda in his annual State of the Union address. >> Carter & Ford (1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act) were right back >> then. But the American people elected a cowboy in 1980 and all was >> undone. I used to buy Ethanol gas in the late 70’s but it soon became >> unavailable after Reagan took over. I believe Reagan also wanted to >> dismantle the DOE. >> Carter was right back then but Americans were too young & immature to >> listen. We still are that way today IMO & we’ll pay the price for it >> very soon. We would have been free of Mideast Oil Carter’s plan was >> implemented. Think about it. >you failed to mention that Bush is the first leader to propose hydrogen as >an alternative to oil. > …after five years of living > in the pants of the energy > industry and doing everything > imaginable to facilitate > record profits for them at > the expense of the American > people and the national > economy. He has all the > credibility of Gene Simmons > giving a lecture on musical > integrity or Esteban touting > the importance of choosing > only top-quality music gear.
soooooooooo, you are now AGAINST energy independance? or do you support the president and hope that this time the country listens and follows his lead to freedom from oil? do YOU own oil stocks?!?!? paul az – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access > >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< > -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
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> Isn’t hydrogen a little dangerous to use in cars? > By you’re missing the point – if we’d followed Carter 30 years ago we > would be there now. And we’d probably being using hydrogen, assuming
and maybe we should have. we didn’t. President Bush asks "are we ready to commit to this yet?" > that it will work. So yes – I’ll acknowledge Bush for saving he wants > to develop hydrogen energy. But saying & doing are 2 different things. > Make no mistake – Bush’s main policy is to find more oil.
and yet he is working at direct odds with that idea. Soul, there ISN’T enough oil to sustain the oil industry much longer… certainly not enuff of it where responsible managers can have any say. Oil men are NOT working to protect their industry against alternatives. they will make money off oil until the wells run dry (which is sooner than most of the world thinks). even oil men are looking for alternative energy sources to invest in. take care, paul az – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mr Soul
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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977: > "President Jimmy Carter made energy policy the centerpiece of his > administration. He notoriously declared on April 18, 1977, that > achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war." In > August of that year, Carter signed the law creating the United States > Department of Energy, intended to manage America’s energy crisis. > In late 1978, the beginning of the Iranian revolution caused a > shortfall in oil exports, and prices doubled over the next couple of > years. Carter, wearing a sweater on national television, urged > Americans to turn down their thermostats. "Beginning this moment, this > nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977-never," > Carter declared in his nationally televised speech on July 15, 1979. > He proposed a sweeping $142 billion energy plan which would achieve > energy independence by 1990. Part of his plan included the "creation of > this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial > goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year
Unfortunately one of the current problems to be overcome is it can take more energy to produce and package hydrogen in a viable form for domestic usage than is realized from the expenditure of the hydrogen’s energy once obtained. I believe the solar equation runs into the same fate, if not more so, at this time. Ken Wilson Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/ For the Other Side of Things http://www.whitehouse.org/
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courageously avow: >Isn’t hydrogen a little dangerous to use in cars? >By you’re missing the point – if we’d followed Carter 30 years ago we >would be there now. And we’d probably being using hydrogen, assuming >that it will work. So yes – I’ll acknowledge Bush for saving he wants >to develop hydrogen energy. But saying & doing are 2 different things. > Make no mistake – Bush’s main policy is to find more oil. >Mr Soul
Bush’s main policy is to last 3 more years and start working with daddy to see if Jeb gets to be Presentdink too. Ken Wilson Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/ For the Other Side of Things http://www.whitehouse.org/
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And I hope that you have invested in Exxon stock! Mr Soul
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> …after five years of living > in the pants of the energy > industry and doing everything > imaginable to facilitate > record profits for them at > the expense of the American > people and the national > economy. He has all the > credibility of Gene Simmons > giving a lecture on musical > integrity or Esteban touting > the importance of choosing > only top-quality music gear.
Yeah…and you have to suppose that *he* has been profiting quite well from oil, too. However….I kinda figure that he’s starting to accept the fact that the Iraq gamble is going bust, and the USA is not going to have the strong foothold in the region, and thus, easy access to mid-east oil….as he’d hoped. So now, ol’ Sparky figures it would be a good time to start pushing alternative fuels! "I figger I can get a piece o’ that action, too!" he says. Don’t get me wrong…I agree 100% with the idea…it’s the first intelligent suggestion he’s had in years. But, it’s certainly not *his* idea! Energy analysts have been saying that for a LONG TIME. It’s about time he listened to something someone said. Mike
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Yeah, the govt spent 10 billion or so trying to make shale oil economically feasible. Didn’t work. Same with solar to a lesser degree (less spent, works better, but still not great).
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There’s nothing wrong with "freedom from oil" but saying this is actually aiming pretty low: "Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025. " Most US oil doesn’t come from the Middle East, at most 25% of it (including Saudi Arabia) is Middle Eastern. So he’s saying that US imports on oil from the middle east will go from a current 25% down to around 6%, so reducing by 75% is technically accurate but not as big a deal as it sounds, especially over nearly 20 years. http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/compan… — Phil Wilson —-
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped>>> > soooooooooo, you are now AGAINST energy independance? or do you support > the president and hope that this time the country listens and follows his > lead to freedom from oil? > do YOU own oil stocks?!?!? > paul > az
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> Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977:
If it were truly important to Democrats why didn’t they pass something like that in Carter’s term, or Clinton’s first term. They had the White House, the House, and the Senate at that time.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Those words were spoken by Jimmy Carter in 1977: >>> "President Jimmy Carter made energy policy the centerpiece of his >>> administration. He notoriously declared on April 18, 1977, that >>> achieving energy independence was the "moral equivalent of war." In >>> August of that year, Carter signed the law creating the United States >>> Department of Energy, intended to manage America’s energy crisis. >>> In late 1978, the beginning of the Iranian revolution caused a >>> shortfall in oil exports, and prices doubled over the next couple of >>> years. Carter, wearing a sweater on national television, urged >>> Americans to turn down their thermostats. "Beginning this moment, this >>> nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977-never," >>> Carter declared in his nationally televised speech on July 15, 1979. >>> He proposed a sweeping $142 billion energy plan which would achieve >>> energy independence by 1990. Part of his plan included the "creation of >>> this nation’s first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial >>> goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year >>hydrogen is the answer to oil… NOT solar energy. solar should not be >>discarded, but it is clearly just a blip on the screen unless you live >>here >>in Arizona, and even then the base investment would be huge with miniscule >>results. >>hydrogen is an unlimited energy source. hydrogen is the answer. >>> 2000." Carter imposed an import quota of 8.5 million barrels of oil per >>> day and created the $20 billion Synfuels program, which was supposed to >>> produce 2.5 million barrels of synthetic fuels per day by 1990. To his >>> credit, Carter did begin to dismantle Nixon’s crude oil price controls. >>> (Auto aside: In his 1979 speech Carter warned: Citizens who insist on >>> driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for >>> that luxury.)" >>> G.W. Bush in 2006: >>> "America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable >>> parts of the world," Bush said as he sought to drive the election-year >>> agenda in his annual State of the Union address. >>> Carter & Ford (1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act) were right back >>> then. But the American people elected a cowboy in 1980 and all was >>> undone. I used to buy Ethanol gas in the late 70’s but it soon became >>> unavailable after Reagan took over. I believe Reagan also wanted to >>> dismantle the DOE. >>> Carter was right back then but Americans were too young & immature to >>> listen. We still are that way today IMO & we’ll pay the price for it >>> very soon. We would have been free of Mideast Oil Carter’s plan was >>> implemented. Think about it. >>you failed to mention that Bush is the first leader to propose hydrogen as >>an alternative to oil. > …after five years of living > in the pants of the energy > industry and doing everything > imaginable to facilitate > record profits for them at > the expense of the American > people and the national > economy. He has all the > credibility of Gene Simmons > giving a lecture on musical > integrity or Esteban touting > the importance of choosing > only top-quality music gear. >soooooooooo, you are now AGAINST energy independance? or do you support the >president and hope that this time the country listens and follows his lead >to freedom from oil?
I think the President is trying steal long-standing lefty ideas in a vain attempt to improve his limp poll standings and doesn’t have any intention of doing anything that might piss off the big corporations that have always owned him lock, stock, and barrel. Iow, imo it’s just political posturing and he won’t do squat about following through with any practical proposals. If I’m wrong and he proposes something workable, I’ll let you know what I think of it. >do YOU own oil stocks?!?!?
Nope, and no drug company or defense contractor shares either. I am an ethical investor, not an exploiter of my fellow Americans. Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
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